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Defend N.Z.'s Flag!
A flag is not just a rag that one stares at. It carries meaning, meaning that some disloyal N.Zers do not understand & want to destroy. Our New Zealand ensign is based on the Brilliant UNION JACK, a flag created by bringing together the flags of England, Scotland and Ireland; the three mother countrys our ancestors came from!
This website is loayal to our ensign & the Union Jack! these two falgs have been added on the side, in HTML. I have also added the other links that have been previously mentioned on this website.
God Save the Queen!
posted by Bill Wilmot | 12:00 PM
12 Comments:
Oh Bill, really...
The Union Flag doesn't mean we're part of the Commonwealth. Only four members of the commonwealth (out of 31, with Fiji now suspended), the Commonwealth's flag itself is dark blue with a picture of the world in the centre, surrounded by a "C".
Banzai is right. The New Zealand flag doesn't represent anything other than the British migrants to New Zealand - it was actually created during the Maori land wars to set New Zealand government owned gun ships apart from Imperial (British) ones.
The New Zealand flag is often confused with the Australian one. When Bob Hawke, the Australian Prime Minister, went to Canada in 1984, they hoisted the New Zealand flag instead of the Australian one. Kerry Jones, former head of Australians for Constitutional Monarchy, confused her country's flag - she called the Southern Cross the "Milky Way!".
Our national ensign has been flown since 1869, its durability unquestioned.
The Union Jack in the top left quarter identifies the origin of our law and culture. It represents what we are, whence we came and our heritage. The stars identify where we are in the great Southern Ocean. Both European and Polynesian navigators used the stars to find our home, and there lies an enduring bond.
People who want to change our flag are just spoilsports, who are jealous that they did not design our wonderful flag.
"People who want to change our flag are just spoilsports, who are jealous that they did not design our wonderful flag."
No, people who want to change our flag understand that our flag no longer represents our country - and when they say "our" they mean all New Zealanders (which includes Maori) - and recognise that while Britain might be the ancestral homeland of a large number of Kiwis, it is no longer the primary source of our law and culture.
Last time I checked, having the Union Jack in the canton of your nations flag was not a prerequisite for membership of the Commonwealth. If it were, the Commonwealth would only have four members. The Union Jack in its present form dates back to 1801, pre-dating the modern Commonwealth by 149 years.
It's interesting that you say "our heritage" and "our identity". What you mean is your identity as a Kiwi of British decent. But what about your fellow New Zealanders - such as Maori, who've never been represented by our flag?
The flag of New Zealand should represent them too - indeed, it should represent all of us. Our current flag does not do this. That was exactly why Canada (a fellow Commonwealth Realm, I should add) changed its flag from its undistinctive Red Ensign in the 60s.
I can assure you we don't have a "Union Jack" in the canton of our flag, as "Union Jack" should only be used for the flag when it is flown as a jack.
The flag of New Zealand represents all New Zealanders, I see no reason to change it.
However the Union Flag does have nothing to do with the Commonwealth through.
On btw Lewis, don't forget that Royal Union Flag exists in Canada...
oops, sorry thats me, just changed my TM account to beta, forgot to logout :)
Aidan:
"...the flag of the Confederation of the United Tribes also has the Union Jack's colours in its design.I have seen this flag flying in some parts of the Dominion outside the Northland region."
Because they're the same colours doesn't mean jack (excuse pun). The French flag has the same colours as the United Tribes flag, the latter doesn't influence the former. The United Tribes flag only is only similar to the Union Jack in that it contains the cross of St. George, in fact an earlier design proposed by Governor Gipps in 1834 that contained the Union flag (yes Brian I do know the difference) was rejected by the United Tribes.
Also, the campaign to change the flag hasn't "failed". It's on ice at the moment, but NZ Flag.com is still alive and well. All that failed was that the petition for a referendum on the design of the flag was withdrawn, as we weren't going to get enough signatures in time before the 2005 election (We had 100,000 signatures, and needed 150,000 more - it was a question of time rather than support).
Brian: "The flag of New Zealand represents all New Zealanders..." do you have anything to back that up? I highly doubt it. You cannot argue tradition and them try to munge the history of the flag so it conforms with the contemporary view that flags should represent their respective nation states.
"republicunts"
Aodhan, are you calling me a cunt? If you are, please tell me and I will come down to Wellington and you can tell me to my face. It's easy to be brave when you are hiding behind a computer, but you can't hide in a country this small. Perhaps I'll knock on your door and you can tell me I'm a cunt to my face. I'd seriously love to see you do that. What do you reckon?
You staying at home over Christmas, Aodhan? Would you like me to print your address ehre or just pm it to you? Don't insult me Aidhan, you don't know who or what I am or what resources I have behind me.
To my face, Aodhan. Or shall I knock on your door? In the words of one of your candiidates for the Lake of Fire, I know where you live.
Aodhan, I do. I'll send you a letter to prove it, perhaps. It's my job to find people.
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